1 00:01:04,250 --> 00:01:05,915 *DEFENDING JACOB* Season 01 Episode 06 2 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,603 Episode Title: "Wishful Thinking" 3 00:01:07,688 --> 00:01:09,111 Aired on: May 15, 2020 4 00:01:09,196 --> 00:01:11,023 Sync corrections by srjanapala 5 00:01:14,987 --> 00:01:16,662 [Neal, indistinct] 6 00:01:17,062 --> 00:01:19,585 Do you remember the date you were given access to it? 7 00:01:22,660 --> 00:01:23,960 Andy? 8 00:01:25,952 --> 00:01:27,398 [normal] Andy? 9 00:01:29,145 --> 00:01:30,499 Sorry. 10 00:01:31,132 --> 00:01:32,577 What was the question? 11 00:01:32,726 --> 00:01:34,021 Need a break? 12 00:01:36,173 --> 00:01:37,678 No, I was just... 13 00:01:39,602 --> 00:01:41,053 [exhales] No. 14 00:01:42,899 --> 00:01:44,569 Just wanna get this over with. 15 00:01:46,363 --> 00:01:48,256 We were just getting to the cell phone. 16 00:01:48,874 --> 00:01:51,702 Do you remember the date you were given access to it? 17 00:01:51,989 --> 00:01:55,131 [Andy] Yeah. It was ten days before the trial. 18 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,483 Hey, Mr. B. I thought that was you. 19 00:01:58,568 --> 00:02:00,092 Hey, Bobby. How you doing? 20 00:02:00,177 --> 00:02:01,250 Not too bad. 21 00:02:01,335 --> 00:02:02,774 Can I get you something off the truck? 22 00:02:02,858 --> 00:02:04,584 No, I'm okay. Just waiting for somebody. 23 00:02:04,756 --> 00:02:05,897 All right. 24 00:02:06,069 --> 00:02:07,467 Well... 25 00:02:07,868 --> 00:02:09,835 stay strong for your family, okay? 26 00:02:19,058 --> 00:02:21,206 Hey, Andy. They're ready for us. 27 00:02:29,026 --> 00:02:30,276 [Joanna clears throat] 28 00:02:31,914 --> 00:02:33,651 - [Neal] I'll let him know. - You better. 29 00:02:33,736 --> 00:02:35,120 Ignore him. 30 00:02:35,204 --> 00:02:38,472 He can moan all he wants. The judge already ruled on the phone. 31 00:02:39,036 --> 00:02:41,455 Mr. Barber has every right to be here, Neal. 32 00:02:41,539 --> 00:02:43,165 Well, technically I could argue that he doesn't 33 00:02:43,249 --> 00:02:44,668 since he's a possible witness in the case, 34 00:02:44,752 --> 00:02:46,292 but I'm letting it slide. 35 00:02:46,454 --> 00:02:47,839 What a mensch. 36 00:02:47,986 --> 00:02:49,263 You're not going in there with us, 37 00:02:49,347 --> 00:02:50,606 if that's what you think was gonna happen. 38 00:02:50,690 --> 00:02:52,507 Of course not. I already examined the cell phone. 39 00:02:52,591 --> 00:02:53,759 [Joanna] We are well aware. 40 00:02:53,858 --> 00:02:55,706 I was up here for something else unrelated. 41 00:02:55,798 --> 00:02:57,183 I do have other cases. 42 00:02:57,591 --> 00:02:58,591 Goodbye, Neal. 43 00:02:58,676 --> 00:03:02,393 And the next time you want to conceal evidence from us, don't. 44 00:03:04,861 --> 00:03:06,831 Oh, I've been meaning to ask. 45 00:03:07,647 --> 00:03:09,284 How's your father, Andy? 46 00:03:11,865 --> 00:03:13,128 What did you say? 47 00:03:13,988 --> 00:03:15,620 I asked about your father. 48 00:03:16,524 --> 00:03:17,816 How's he doing? 49 00:03:17,962 --> 00:03:20,089 You know, I knew criminal law was a passion of yours, 50 00:03:20,174 --> 00:03:22,573 but I had no idea it was the family business. 51 00:03:22,658 --> 00:03:23,698 - Whoa! - You think... 52 00:03:23,783 --> 00:03:25,114 - this is a joke? Do you? - Jesus. - Hey! 53 00:03:25,198 --> 00:03:26,226 - [Joanna] Come on, Andy! - [Duffy] Back up. 54 00:03:26,310 --> 00:03:27,643 - Back up! - [Neal] Jesus. 55 00:03:28,987 --> 00:03:30,032 Fuck. 56 00:03:30,117 --> 00:03:32,158 Don't lecture me about concealing things. 57 00:03:32,243 --> 00:03:33,854 Just let it go. 58 00:03:34,125 --> 00:03:35,125 Hey. 59 00:03:35,673 --> 00:03:36,925 I will say this. 60 00:03:38,143 --> 00:03:39,573 It explains a lot, Andy, 61 00:03:39,813 --> 00:03:42,222 about you, about your son. 62 00:03:47,262 --> 00:03:48,596 Damn it. 63 00:03:48,759 --> 00:03:51,159 - [Joanna] Detective, are you ready for us? - [Duffy] Yeah. 64 00:03:52,471 --> 00:03:54,753 - You okay? - [sighs] Sorry. 65 00:03:57,943 --> 00:03:59,284 Right this way. 66 00:04:05,487 --> 00:04:07,552 We knew he'd find out sooner or later. 67 00:04:07,684 --> 00:04:08,722 It's fine. 68 00:04:08,807 --> 00:04:10,706 Andy, we're already ahead of it. 69 00:04:15,955 --> 00:04:18,347 [Duffy] That's the passcode his parents provided. 70 00:04:18,589 --> 00:04:21,409 - Take all the time you need. - [Joanna] Thank you, Detective. 71 00:04:23,455 --> 00:04:24,800 [door closes] 72 00:04:55,895 --> 00:04:58,222 - [Dr. Vogel] Sorry to keep you. - That's okay. 73 00:04:58,440 --> 00:04:59,628 Hey. 74 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:02,223 Same time next week? 75 00:05:02,308 --> 00:05:04,058 Actually, today was our last session. 76 00:05:04,143 --> 00:05:06,723 Oh. I didn't realize. So then... 77 00:05:06,808 --> 00:05:09,853 So then you and Andy are scheduled to meet me with Joanna 78 00:05:09,937 --> 00:05:12,063 at the end of next week, the 17th, I believe. 79 00:05:12,147 --> 00:05:13,857 We can go over everything then. 80 00:05:13,941 --> 00:05:15,542 - [Laurie] The 17th? - That okay? 81 00:05:15,812 --> 00:05:17,776 Yeah, no, it's just... 82 00:05:18,477 --> 00:05:19,808 that's Jacob's birthday. 83 00:05:19,893 --> 00:05:21,490 Oh. Um... 84 00:05:21,574 --> 00:05:22,901 Well, if you want, we can just... 85 00:05:22,986 --> 00:05:24,303 No, it's-it's fine. 86 00:05:24,458 --> 00:05:27,729 Uh, he has his tutor that day, actually, so... 87 00:05:28,249 --> 00:05:29,375 We'll see you then. 88 00:05:30,236 --> 00:05:32,081 - Ready? - Yeah. 89 00:05:35,044 --> 00:05:36,534 He's probably a little talked out. 90 00:05:37,677 --> 00:05:39,151 - I'll see you next week. - Right. 91 00:05:39,471 --> 00:05:42,581 Take care, Jacob. Happy early birthday. 92 00:05:42,701 --> 00:05:43,917 Bye. 93 00:05:53,245 --> 00:05:54,330 [door closes] 94 00:06:04,426 --> 00:06:05,823 You're quiet. 95 00:06:06,636 --> 00:06:08,042 How was your session? 96 00:06:09,315 --> 00:06:12,164 - It was fine. Annoying. - Annoying? 97 00:06:12,249 --> 00:06:14,667 She just asks me the same questions every week, 98 00:06:15,058 --> 00:06:16,831 or different versions of them. 99 00:06:17,035 --> 00:06:19,886 And when I call her out on it, she just tries to play dumb, 100 00:06:20,011 --> 00:06:21,862 like she didn't realize she already asked me. 101 00:06:21,947 --> 00:06:23,581 She's only trying to help us. 102 00:06:25,163 --> 00:06:26,612 If you say so. 103 00:06:27,890 --> 00:06:29,026 [cell phone dings] 104 00:06:35,356 --> 00:06:36,589 Who's that? 105 00:06:36,752 --> 00:06:38,261 [typing] 106 00:06:38,598 --> 00:06:40,433 Jacob, I asked you 107 00:06:40,518 --> 00:06:42,198 - who you were texting. - Nobody. Dylan. 108 00:06:43,194 --> 00:06:44,362 Dylan Stone? 109 00:06:44,447 --> 00:06:46,365 - He's at a sleepaway camp. - [cell phone dings] 110 00:06:46,604 --> 00:06:48,237 This kid doesn't believe he knows me, 111 00:06:48,322 --> 00:06:49,643 so he's trying to prove it. 112 00:06:56,074 --> 00:06:57,189 How's Sarah? 113 00:06:57,274 --> 00:06:59,417 I haven't heard her name in a while. 114 00:07:01,344 --> 00:07:02,610 It's good for you 115 00:07:02,718 --> 00:07:04,401 to have someone your own age to talk to. 116 00:07:04,518 --> 00:07:06,675 We're not talking, so... 117 00:07:08,386 --> 00:07:11,503 - Is that your doing, or... - Mom, don't. Please. 118 00:07:39,333 --> 00:07:40,417 [door opens] 119 00:07:41,505 --> 00:07:42,638 [door closes] 120 00:07:45,551 --> 00:07:46,740 Thanks. 121 00:07:50,391 --> 00:07:51,607 Anything? 122 00:07:55,686 --> 00:07:57,420 About how many hours would you say 123 00:07:57,505 --> 00:08:00,779 you and Ms. Klein spent with Ben Rifkin's cell phone? 124 00:08:00,864 --> 00:08:03,935 - [sighs] I don't know. Maybe five hours. - Five hours? 125 00:08:04,460 --> 00:08:05,748 So you went through 126 00:08:05,886 --> 00:08:08,725 every e-mail, every text, every photo and video? 127 00:08:08,810 --> 00:08:11,740 - Yeah. Everything. - Looking for what, exactly? 128 00:08:13,260 --> 00:08:14,261 Answers. 129 00:08:14,378 --> 00:08:16,339 The answers you were looking for, 130 00:08:16,857 --> 00:08:18,920 they weren't on that phone, were they? 131 00:08:25,748 --> 00:08:27,466 - Thanks, Detective. - Yeah. You got it. 132 00:08:27,551 --> 00:08:29,248 [cell phone ringing] 133 00:08:30,429 --> 00:08:32,244 It's my office. Can you give me a minute? 134 00:08:32,329 --> 00:08:33,537 Yeah. 135 00:08:33,866 --> 00:08:35,888 [Joanna] Hi. We're just finishing up. 136 00:08:44,226 --> 00:08:45,226 Hey. 137 00:08:46,849 --> 00:08:47,849 Hey. 138 00:08:49,037 --> 00:08:50,379 Listen, I just want you to know, 139 00:08:50,464 --> 00:08:52,464 I think it was fucked up, what Logiudice did. 140 00:08:53,372 --> 00:08:54,498 Nah. 141 00:08:54,716 --> 00:08:56,146 He was being a lawyer. 142 00:08:56,567 --> 00:08:59,388 If I was in his place, I'd probably try to bury the phone too. 143 00:09:00,073 --> 00:09:01,702 No, I think you would have thought about it, 144 00:09:01,786 --> 00:09:03,826 but you would have done the right thing. 145 00:09:04,653 --> 00:09:06,545 That's not what I was referring to though. 146 00:09:11,929 --> 00:09:13,764 You mean what he said about my father. 147 00:09:17,457 --> 00:09:18,873 Everybody knows, huh? 148 00:09:19,780 --> 00:09:21,451 Started going around yesterday. 149 00:09:21,719 --> 00:09:23,646 You know how people talk around here. 150 00:09:24,237 --> 00:09:25,488 [sighs] 151 00:09:26,417 --> 00:09:27,877 What have you heard? 152 00:09:29,813 --> 00:09:31,301 That he's serving life at Northern 153 00:09:31,386 --> 00:09:33,138 for rape and murder one. 154 00:09:39,764 --> 00:09:41,646 He went in when I was a kid. 155 00:09:46,729 --> 00:09:48,185 I take it Laurie knows? 156 00:09:50,514 --> 00:09:52,318 She does now. 157 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,138 Jacob too. 158 00:10:03,128 --> 00:10:04,443 I have a brother. 159 00:10:05,401 --> 00:10:06,693 I told you about him. 160 00:10:07,052 --> 00:10:08,053 Yeah. 161 00:10:08,138 --> 00:10:10,821 So I know what that's like, carrying something like that around. 162 00:10:17,035 --> 00:10:18,866 Listen, my hands are mostly tied on this case, 163 00:10:18,951 --> 00:10:21,060 but, you know... 164 00:10:21,957 --> 00:10:24,293 if you need any more of my help, you know how to reach me. 165 00:10:25,419 --> 00:10:26,437 Thank you. 166 00:10:26,537 --> 00:10:27,818 Don't underestimate him. 167 00:10:28,027 --> 00:10:29,982 He sounds real sure he's gonna win. 168 00:10:30,138 --> 00:10:31,357 Too sure. 169 00:10:33,554 --> 00:10:35,014 [footsteps approaching] 170 00:10:38,641 --> 00:10:40,857 - Shall we go? - Let's go. 171 00:10:41,507 --> 00:10:42,865 Thanks, Duff. 172 00:10:43,723 --> 00:10:45,545 That was my assistant Ellen. 173 00:10:45,810 --> 00:10:47,680 She has a niece Jacob's age. 174 00:10:47,943 --> 00:10:51,920 They live in Needham, but you know how all the kids know each other these days. 175 00:10:53,030 --> 00:10:56,240 It seems Jacob has been going online again. 176 00:11:00,477 --> 00:11:01,740 Jacob! 177 00:11:03,465 --> 00:11:05,490 - Where's Jake? - Upstairs. 178 00:11:05,644 --> 00:11:08,498 - How did it go with the phone? - It was a bust. 179 00:11:09,942 --> 00:11:11,255 [Andy] Jacob! 180 00:11:13,185 --> 00:11:14,561 Are you Jay Kobbs? 181 00:11:15,550 --> 00:11:17,646 - Answer me, damn it! - Andy. 182 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:19,427 It's not that big of a deal. 183 00:11:19,512 --> 00:11:21,348 Don't tell me what's not a big deal! 184 00:11:21,433 --> 00:11:24,019 Show your mother. Show her what you've been up to. 185 00:11:26,798 --> 00:11:28,341 [typing] 186 00:11:34,376 --> 00:11:37,099 Shit. Jacob! 187 00:11:37,184 --> 00:11:38,450 It's just a dumb joke. 188 00:11:38,534 --> 00:11:40,093 [Andy] Do you have any idea what this looks like? 189 00:11:40,177 --> 00:11:42,370 Joking about being a murder suspect? 190 00:11:42,638 --> 00:11:44,080 It's not like anyone even knows who it is. 191 00:11:44,164 --> 00:11:46,186 Everybody knows! How do you think I know? 192 00:11:46,271 --> 00:11:47,638 Andy, calm down. 193 00:11:47,723 --> 00:11:50,100 This is damaging. This is evidence, 194 00:11:50,185 --> 00:11:52,895 and you're either too stupid or too arrogant to know the difference. 195 00:11:52,980 --> 00:11:55,264 - I'm not stupid. - Then what's wrong with you? 196 00:11:55,349 --> 00:11:57,177 Nothing. You're making too big of a deal out of this. 197 00:11:57,261 --> 00:11:59,601 Do you have any idea what they're gonna do with this picture? 198 00:11:59,685 --> 00:12:01,280 They're gonna wave it around in front of the jury, 199 00:12:01,364 --> 00:12:03,764 and they're gonna say it shows consciousness of guilt. 200 00:12:03,849 --> 00:12:05,393 That's the phrase they're gonna use. 201 00:12:05,477 --> 00:12:07,990 They're gonna say this is how Jacob Barber sees himself, 202 00:12:08,074 --> 00:12:09,146 a psycho. 203 00:12:09,231 --> 00:12:10,419 And they're gonna use that word 204 00:12:10,503 --> 00:12:12,302 - over and over again. - Andy, enough. 205 00:12:12,387 --> 00:12:13,801 Jesus Christ. 206 00:12:14,143 --> 00:12:15,364 Do you know what's at stake? 207 00:12:15,449 --> 00:12:17,272 Do you realize what they want to do to you? 208 00:12:17,357 --> 00:12:19,366 Stop it already. You're scaring him. 209 00:12:19,451 --> 00:12:22,036 Good! He should be scared! I'm scared! 210 00:12:24,495 --> 00:12:27,124 It was just a joke. I can delete it. 211 00:12:27,209 --> 00:12:30,419 That doesn't mean it goes away. 212 00:12:36,008 --> 00:12:38,505 Okay. I'm sorry. 213 00:12:38,590 --> 00:12:41,857 [Andy] You can't do things like this, Jake. You just can't. 214 00:12:43,265 --> 00:12:44,474 I said I'm sorry. 215 00:12:44,558 --> 00:12:45,976 I think he should delete it anyway. 216 00:12:46,060 --> 00:12:49,271 You're goddamn right he's gonna delete it. He's gonna delete it right now. 217 00:12:53,561 --> 00:12:55,063 This can't happen again. 218 00:12:56,069 --> 00:12:57,779 I need to know you understand that. 219 00:12:57,864 --> 00:12:59,271 [typing] 220 00:13:00,388 --> 00:13:02,880 I do. There. It's gone. 221 00:13:14,780 --> 00:13:16,255 [sighs] 222 00:13:19,178 --> 00:13:20,990 I'm sorry I yelled. 223 00:13:22,179 --> 00:13:24,584 I shouldn't have lost my temper. I just... 224 00:13:28,161 --> 00:13:30,287 I'm trying to look out for you, buddy. 225 00:13:30,525 --> 00:13:31,906 You gotta understand that. 226 00:13:31,991 --> 00:13:33,451 Just leave me alone. 227 00:13:33,946 --> 00:13:36,341 - Jake. - Please. 228 00:13:40,950 --> 00:13:42,318 [softly] Okay. 229 00:13:46,704 --> 00:13:48,302 Okay, so go. 230 00:13:53,307 --> 00:13:55,224 There's nothing wrong with me. 231 00:13:57,643 --> 00:13:59,257 I know exactly what they're gonna do to me. 232 00:13:59,341 --> 00:14:00,843 I don't need you to tell me that. 233 00:14:22,364 --> 00:14:25,575 [male reporter] An unexpected twist tonight in the Jacob Barber case. 234 00:14:25,659 --> 00:14:29,279 We have confirmed that the Newton, Massachusetts teenager is the grandson 235 00:14:29,364 --> 00:14:31,414 of William Barber, a man who earned the nickname "Bloody Billy"... 236 00:14:31,498 --> 00:14:33,155 - [man] Looking good there, Billy Boy! - [inmates cheering] 237 00:14:33,239 --> 00:14:34,686 ...after he was convicted of raping 238 00:14:34,777 --> 00:14:37,177 - and killing a young Connecticut woman. - [applause, whistles] 239 00:14:37,261 --> 00:14:40,732 He is now serving a life sentence for those crimes. 240 00:14:40,817 --> 00:14:43,255 Presently awaiting trial, the younger Barber 241 00:14:43,340 --> 00:14:45,664 is accused of murdering his classmate 242 00:14:45,749 --> 00:14:47,926 Benjamin Rifkin in Cold Spring Park. 243 00:14:48,015 --> 00:14:50,809 Will there be a family reunion behind bars? 244 00:14:50,893 --> 00:14:53,895 This entire case has been remarkable from the outset. 245 00:14:53,979 --> 00:14:56,974 You'll recall that the accused's father, Andrew Barber, 246 00:14:57,059 --> 00:14:59,568 was in fact the assistant district attorney 247 00:14:59,653 --> 00:15:03,113 initially in charge of the Rifkin murder investigation, 248 00:15:03,293 --> 00:15:07,871 an investigation that ended with the arrest of Mr. Barber's own son. 249 00:15:11,999 --> 00:15:14,309 Are you gonna take the garbage out, or should I? 250 00:15:16,210 --> 00:15:17,336 It's everywhere. 251 00:15:20,089 --> 00:15:21,512 It is what it is. 252 00:15:25,823 --> 00:15:27,533 [garbage can rolling] 253 00:15:39,275 --> 00:15:40,918 [dog barks in the distance] 254 00:16:06,551 --> 00:16:09,582 Have you noticed an old blue car on the block recently? A Lincoln? 255 00:16:09,692 --> 00:16:11,614 No. I don't think so. 256 00:16:11,849 --> 00:16:13,449 Why? Who is it? 257 00:16:13,664 --> 00:16:15,131 I don't know. I saw him idling in front of 258 00:16:15,215 --> 00:16:16,334 the MacGreeveys' house the other day. 259 00:16:16,418 --> 00:16:17,897 Now he's in front of the Parsons'. 260 00:16:26,989 --> 00:16:28,137 Where? 261 00:16:28,741 --> 00:16:29,867 It's gone. 262 00:16:31,957 --> 00:16:33,583 It's probably nothing. It's okay. 263 00:16:53,770 --> 00:16:56,531 Look, I don't know who this is, but if you keep calling this number... 264 00:16:57,728 --> 00:16:58,771 Who? 265 00:17:00,106 --> 00:17:03,150 Oh, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course I remember. 266 00:17:06,961 --> 00:17:08,286 When? 267 00:17:11,103 --> 00:17:12,309 Okay. 268 00:17:12,904 --> 00:17:14,656 All right. I'll find it. 269 00:17:26,235 --> 00:17:27,333 Hey. 270 00:17:28,050 --> 00:17:29,372 What's going on? 271 00:17:30,126 --> 00:17:31,836 Look, I'm sorry I called you so late. 272 00:17:31,921 --> 00:17:32,868 - It's just... - Yeah, that's okay. 273 00:17:32,953 --> 00:17:34,395 It's okay. What's up? 274 00:17:37,281 --> 00:17:38,513 Matt. 275 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:40,874 You said you had something to tell me. 276 00:17:41,696 --> 00:17:44,013 I do. T's just... 277 00:17:45,635 --> 00:17:47,809 Wait. Are you the one who's been coming to my house? 278 00:17:48,654 --> 00:17:49,872 What? 279 00:17:50,770 --> 00:17:53,138 Nothing. Nothing. Forget it. Go. 280 00:17:53,338 --> 00:17:57,161 I wasn't gonna say anything, 'cause, I mean, what's it my business? 281 00:17:57,246 --> 00:18:01,138 But I can't fucking sleep. It's, like, on me... 282 00:18:01,223 --> 00:18:02,888 Matt, I have no idea what you're talking about. 283 00:18:02,972 --> 00:18:04,184 Your kid... 284 00:18:06,102 --> 00:18:07,419 he didn't do it. 285 00:18:14,679 --> 00:18:17,825 [Lynn] Tell me about Leonard Patz. Where did you meet him? 286 00:18:18,001 --> 00:18:20,711 I was at CandM. You know, the pizza place. 287 00:18:20,881 --> 00:18:22,317 When was this? 288 00:18:23,678 --> 00:18:25,200 About a year ago. Last summer. 289 00:18:25,302 --> 00:18:26,886 So you were 15 at the time? 290 00:18:27,114 --> 00:18:28,235 Yeah. 291 00:18:28,319 --> 00:18:30,545 This morning is the first I heard about any of this. 292 00:18:30,630 --> 00:18:32,405 I understand. Please continue. 293 00:18:32,490 --> 00:18:35,662 [exhales] Anyway, Patz comes up to me 294 00:18:35,747 --> 00:18:37,809 and asked if I wanted something to eat. 295 00:18:38,114 --> 00:18:40,247 He said he'd buy me whatever I wanted if I'd sit with him, 296 00:18:40,331 --> 00:18:41,706 'cause he hated eating alone. 297 00:18:41,802 --> 00:18:44,000 So I said fine. What do I care? It's free food. 298 00:18:44,084 --> 00:18:45,263 Hey. 299 00:18:46,086 --> 00:18:47,087 What's up? 300 00:18:47,233 --> 00:18:48,401 [video game beeps] 301 00:18:48,638 --> 00:18:50,764 Do you need a quarter to play again? 302 00:18:50,919 --> 00:18:53,499 [Matt] So we're eating, and he's trying to sound like some tough guy 303 00:18:53,583 --> 00:18:55,262 to impress me or whatever, you know, 304 00:18:55,346 --> 00:18:58,778 and I'm playing along, letting him think I can't tell what a loser he is. 305 00:18:59,099 --> 00:19:00,575 And after a while, 306 00:19:00,659 --> 00:19:02,340 he starts talking about his sweet apartment, 307 00:19:02,424 --> 00:19:03,529 and how he's got all this beer there, 308 00:19:03,613 --> 00:19:05,272 and if I wanna go back and hang out with him. 309 00:19:05,356 --> 00:19:07,774 - [Lynn] And did you? - Hell, no. I knew what he wanted. 310 00:19:07,858 --> 00:19:10,653 I told him straight up I wasn't going anywhere with him... 311 00:19:11,310 --> 00:19:13,472 [breathes deeply] 312 00:19:15,032 --> 00:19:17,952 But maybe if he had some money, we could work something out. 313 00:19:19,081 --> 00:19:22,434 [sighs] So, he says he'll give me 50 bucks 314 00:19:22,519 --> 00:19:24,184 if he can touch me over my pants. 315 00:19:24,269 --> 00:19:26,199 So, I told him I'd let him do it for a hundred. 316 00:19:26,460 --> 00:19:29,496 - And he agreed? - Yeah, like, right away. 317 00:19:29,672 --> 00:19:31,849 So, after that we'd meet up here and there 318 00:19:31,934 --> 00:19:33,216 whenever he had some cash, 319 00:19:33,300 --> 00:19:35,363 do the same thing, just different places. 320 00:19:35,695 --> 00:19:37,050 [Lynn] He never tried for more? 321 00:19:37,135 --> 00:19:39,388 One time he asked if he could reach his hand down my pants, 322 00:19:39,472 --> 00:19:41,214 but I told him I'd break his fucking arm. 323 00:19:41,299 --> 00:19:43,488 - How'd he react? - He backed off quick. 324 00:19:43,602 --> 00:19:45,519 And these meetups, how many were there in total? 325 00:19:45,636 --> 00:19:47,773 I don't know, six. Maybe seven. 326 00:19:47,857 --> 00:19:49,732 Including the one at the library? 327 00:19:49,817 --> 00:19:51,193 Yeah, that was the last time. 328 00:19:51,277 --> 00:19:52,997 Leonard said he didn't wanna pay me anymore. 329 00:19:53,081 --> 00:19:55,511 I told him if he didn't, I'd report him, so I did. 330 00:19:55,703 --> 00:19:56,980 I'm sorry. I... 331 00:19:57,291 --> 00:19:59,664 I don't see how this relates to our case. 332 00:20:00,382 --> 00:20:02,634 Well, you see, that was his whole reason for dropping me. 333 00:20:02,788 --> 00:20:05,542 He said there was this new kid he was into, some kid named Ben. 334 00:20:07,208 --> 00:20:09,085 Just Ben, or did he give a last name? 335 00:20:09,170 --> 00:20:11,184 [Matt] No, but I know it was the same kid 'cause of the park. 336 00:20:11,268 --> 00:20:12,287 That's where Leonard met him. 337 00:20:12,371 --> 00:20:15,144 [Lynn] So you're saying Patz knew Ben Rifkin? 338 00:20:15,308 --> 00:20:16,858 [Matt] I don't think he actually knew him. 339 00:20:16,942 --> 00:20:19,292 But he spoke to him a couple times. 340 00:20:19,565 --> 00:20:21,016 Mostly just watched him. 341 00:20:21,175 --> 00:20:23,302 [Lynn] Did he say anything else about Ben? 342 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,149 Just that he was "beautiful." 343 00:20:26,234 --> 00:20:27,558 He used that word. 344 00:20:28,564 --> 00:20:29,746 That's all? 345 00:20:30,821 --> 00:20:32,027 Yeah. 346 00:20:34,964 --> 00:20:37,027 - Oh, shit, wait. He also had a knife. - [scoffs] 347 00:20:37,221 --> 00:20:40,390 I only saw it once, but he carried it around sometimes, 348 00:20:40,475 --> 00:20:42,355 you know, in case someone gives him shit. 349 00:20:42,527 --> 00:20:44,443 Anyway, he tried to give it to me for money one time 350 00:20:44,527 --> 00:20:45,955 and I told him to fuck off. 351 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:47,292 What did it look like? 352 00:20:47,606 --> 00:20:48,717 A knife, you know? 353 00:20:48,802 --> 00:20:50,963 With those little teeth on the side of it. 354 00:20:51,128 --> 00:20:52,796 It was kind of badass, actually. 355 00:20:56,258 --> 00:20:58,238 Why did it take you this long to come forward? 356 00:20:58,427 --> 00:21:00,804 Well, I mean, I got kind of a record, you know, 357 00:21:00,888 --> 00:21:03,932 with the whole possession charge, and I lied about the whole library thing. 358 00:21:04,016 --> 00:21:06,403 I just... kind of wanted to stay out of it, you know what I mean? 359 00:21:06,487 --> 00:21:09,752 But... I heard that his kid was getting blamed for it 360 00:21:09,837 --> 00:21:11,877 - and I just kept thinking about... - Wait a second. 361 00:21:12,056 --> 00:21:14,415 Did Mr. Barber compel you to come forward? 362 00:21:14,500 --> 00:21:15,634 Compel me? 363 00:21:15,719 --> 00:21:17,879 [Lynn] Did you feel pressured in any way by Mr. Barber? 364 00:21:17,988 --> 00:21:19,197 He called me with this. 365 00:21:19,281 --> 00:21:20,783 Please let him answer, Andy. 366 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:22,978 No, I mean, he came to me first. 367 00:21:24,184 --> 00:21:26,338 I mean, I didn't tell him anything, 368 00:21:26,423 --> 00:21:28,253 and so I guess, I don't know, it was a little bit of both. 369 00:21:28,337 --> 00:21:29,276 Yes or no? 370 00:21:29,361 --> 00:21:31,249 Were you coached in any way by Mr. Barber? 371 00:21:31,334 --> 00:21:33,484 No, what I told you is the truth. I got no reason to lie. 372 00:21:33,568 --> 00:21:35,315 Really? 'Cause you've made it pretty clear 373 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:36,850 that you'd do a lot of things for money. 374 00:21:36,934 --> 00:21:38,156 - Oh, that's outrageous. - The fuck? 375 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,342 - That's my kid you're talking about. - [Lynn] Neal. 376 00:21:43,556 --> 00:21:45,396 - [Matt] Can I go now? - [Lynn] Thank you for coming in. 377 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:46,867 I'm sure this wasn't easy. 378 00:21:46,952 --> 00:21:48,685 Detective Duffy will take down your information 379 00:21:48,769 --> 00:21:50,881 in case we need to talk with you again. 380 00:22:06,334 --> 00:22:07,543 [exhales] 381 00:22:08,582 --> 00:22:10,956 I don't know what to make of that boy's story 382 00:22:11,041 --> 00:22:12,793 or how you came to hear of it. 383 00:22:12,877 --> 00:22:14,600 [Neal] I don't believe a word of it. 384 00:22:14,925 --> 00:22:16,259 It's too convenient. 385 00:22:17,060 --> 00:22:19,163 I can't believe we're entertaining this. 386 00:22:29,781 --> 00:22:31,824 We'll write up a search warrant for Patz's home. 387 00:22:32,479 --> 00:22:34,106 See if we can turn up a knife. 388 00:22:36,366 --> 00:22:37,409 Thank you. 389 00:22:43,908 --> 00:22:45,830 - This good enough? - Let me see. 390 00:22:46,911 --> 00:22:48,127 The pants are too short. 391 00:22:48,619 --> 00:22:50,822 The arms too. Shit. 392 00:22:51,235 --> 00:22:52,932 [Jacob] It's a trial, not a fashion show. 393 00:22:53,382 --> 00:22:55,822 I just want you to look your best, okay? 394 00:22:56,495 --> 00:22:58,143 Let people see how handsome you are. 395 00:22:58,236 --> 00:22:59,672 These things are important. 396 00:22:59,757 --> 00:23:00,757 [door opens] 397 00:23:00,841 --> 00:23:02,252 - [Andy] Hello? - We're in here. 398 00:23:02,337 --> 00:23:03,421 [door closes] 399 00:23:03,656 --> 00:23:05,572 His suit needs altering again. 400 00:23:06,727 --> 00:23:08,061 Only if there's a trial. 401 00:23:09,306 --> 00:23:10,306 What do you mean? 402 00:23:10,416 --> 00:23:12,533 Lynn approved a search of Patz's house. 403 00:23:12,618 --> 00:23:14,429 - So, they think it's him? - Well, no. Not yet. 404 00:23:14,513 --> 00:23:16,565 Obviously if they find the knife, that changes everything, 405 00:23:16,649 --> 00:23:19,025 but at least this puts him back on the radar. 406 00:23:19,109 --> 00:23:21,182 - Well, that's something, right? - Yeah. 407 00:23:21,591 --> 00:23:23,300 I know it's him. I know it is. 408 00:23:23,447 --> 00:23:25,157 [phone rings] 409 00:23:25,933 --> 00:23:27,058 Sorry, guys. 410 00:23:27,159 --> 00:23:28,487 You go change, honey. 411 00:23:30,811 --> 00:23:31,955 Hello. 412 00:23:32,396 --> 00:23:33,635 There he is. 413 00:23:34,896 --> 00:23:36,041 How'd you get this number? 414 00:23:36,316 --> 00:23:38,205 - Your wife gave it to me. - Bullshit. 415 00:23:38,290 --> 00:23:39,322 [chuckles] 416 00:23:39,407 --> 00:23:40,407 No. 417 00:23:41,175 --> 00:23:42,760 No. We got our own, um... 418 00:23:44,214 --> 00:23:47,268 you know, we call it economy in here. 419 00:23:48,487 --> 00:23:50,971 Believe me, there's tougher things to get than a phone number. 420 00:23:51,899 --> 00:23:53,299 Well, you wasted your money. 421 00:23:53,426 --> 00:23:55,596 Hey, don't hang up. Come on. 422 00:23:56,302 --> 00:23:58,143 I did what you asked, didn't I? 423 00:23:59,089 --> 00:24:02,618 She's a real doll, your wife. 424 00:24:02,743 --> 00:24:05,251 - I mean, even better-looking in person. - Don't. 425 00:24:05,382 --> 00:24:07,017 What? It's a compliment. 426 00:24:08,294 --> 00:24:09,670 She's my daughter-in-law. Jesus. 427 00:24:09,785 --> 00:24:11,704 What kind of a sick fuck you think I am? 428 00:24:11,789 --> 00:24:13,478 I know exactly what kind. 429 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,922 Look, I appreciate your helping us. 430 00:24:23,533 --> 00:24:25,827 Yeah, well, it's all right. 431 00:24:29,268 --> 00:24:32,257 You see, that was on the news the other day, how you're my kid. 432 00:24:33,595 --> 00:24:34,819 Yeah, I saw. 433 00:24:35,398 --> 00:24:37,046 I want you to know, I had nothing to do with that. 434 00:24:37,130 --> 00:24:38,827 I said nothing to nobody. 435 00:24:39,598 --> 00:24:40,639 These things get out. 436 00:24:40,790 --> 00:24:44,418 Yeah, these reporters. [scoffs] They're real fucking vultures, right? 437 00:24:44,503 --> 00:24:45,882 Is this why you called? 438 00:24:47,151 --> 00:24:48,193 Yeah. 439 00:24:48,854 --> 00:24:50,858 I mean, yeah. That and... 440 00:24:52,332 --> 00:24:53,541 [sighs] 441 00:24:53,734 --> 00:24:55,444 I thought we could talk some more. 442 00:24:55,846 --> 00:24:57,007 Talk? 443 00:24:57,103 --> 00:25:00,024 Look, I know I'm a shit father. 444 00:25:00,109 --> 00:25:01,655 I don't have a father. 445 00:25:04,787 --> 00:25:07,710 You don't have... Huh. 446 00:25:09,079 --> 00:25:11,580 How does that work exactly? What are you, a fucking tree? 447 00:25:11,679 --> 00:25:12,805 I gotta go. 448 00:25:12,890 --> 00:25:14,641 Yeah, some other time, maybe. 449 00:25:14,726 --> 00:25:15,977 I don't think so. 450 00:25:16,263 --> 00:25:17,475 Maybe, though. 451 00:25:39,606 --> 00:25:42,676 [Duffy] Morning. I want two officers stationed in front, another two out back. 452 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,577 - The rest of you follow me. - Yes, ma'am. 453 00:25:47,403 --> 00:25:50,437 You're the super, right? Detective Duffy. We spoke earlier. 454 00:25:50,522 --> 00:25:52,428 We need to get up to Leonard Patz's apartment. 455 00:25:52,566 --> 00:25:53,650 217. 456 00:25:53,735 --> 00:25:54,819 Got it. 457 00:26:01,996 --> 00:26:03,205 Becky. 458 00:26:05,299 --> 00:26:06,342 Becky! 459 00:26:11,574 --> 00:26:12,575 Becky? 460 00:26:14,618 --> 00:26:15,968 Becky, where are you? 461 00:26:16,370 --> 00:26:18,085 [Becky] I'm here, Miles. 462 00:26:21,208 --> 00:26:23,796 - [Miles] You didn't go to sleep? - I'm so tired. 463 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,380 [Miles] They weren't people. It was more of them. 464 00:26:27,464 --> 00:26:30,384 They're growing thousands of pods in greenhouses. We've got to get away. 465 00:26:48,903 --> 00:26:50,445 Mr. Patz, I'm Detective Duffy. 466 00:26:50,530 --> 00:26:51,947 I'm assigned to the district attorney's office. 467 00:26:52,031 --> 00:26:53,803 We have a warrant to search these premises. 468 00:26:57,077 --> 00:26:58,287 [TV: sound muted] 469 00:26:59,205 --> 00:27:00,789 [knocking] 470 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,874 Mr. Patz, this is the police. Open up. 471 00:27:07,983 --> 00:27:10,277 Mr. Patz, open up this door right now. 472 00:27:16,347 --> 00:27:19,374 Mr. Patz, open the door or we will open it for you. 473 00:27:31,401 --> 00:27:32,735 Mr. Patz? 474 00:27:33,056 --> 00:27:34,736 We have a warrant to search your apartment. 475 00:27:36,153 --> 00:27:37,404 [paper rustles] 476 00:27:40,015 --> 00:27:41,469 I'm gonna need you to put some clothes on 477 00:27:41,553 --> 00:27:42,742 and wait outside. 478 00:29:32,566 --> 00:29:35,152 [breathing heavily] 479 00:29:35,861 --> 00:29:37,175 [inhales cigarette] 480 00:30:16,261 --> 00:30:17,933 - Andy? - [door closes] 481 00:30:19,535 --> 00:30:20,776 No knife. 482 00:30:21,130 --> 00:30:23,173 - What? - They didn't find the knife. 483 00:30:23,296 --> 00:30:25,191 At least not one that matches the weapon. 484 00:30:25,276 --> 00:30:27,436 Doesn't mean they're gonna stop looking at Patz though. 485 00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:30,316 Honey? 486 00:30:30,401 --> 00:30:31,568 I, uh... 487 00:30:31,653 --> 00:30:34,668 The blue car, the Lincoln, it was following me. 488 00:30:34,753 --> 00:30:36,651 - Now? - No, no, no. It's gone. 489 00:30:36,736 --> 00:30:38,172 Did you look at the driver? 490 00:30:38,257 --> 00:30:39,884 No, he was too far away. 491 00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:43,425 - Sorry, honey. - [exhales] 492 00:30:43,794 --> 00:30:46,295 Someone's been watching us. I don't know if it's a reporter 493 00:30:46,472 --> 00:30:48,589 or some psycho trying to scare us or what. 494 00:30:48,674 --> 00:30:50,050 Do you wanna file a report? 495 00:30:50,144 --> 00:30:51,519 What good would that do? 496 00:30:51,604 --> 00:30:53,147 Honestly, uh, not much. 497 00:30:53,749 --> 00:30:57,058 If it happens again, call me immediately. If I'm in the area... 498 00:30:57,143 --> 00:30:58,310 Okay. 499 00:30:58,395 --> 00:30:59,563 Thanks, Duff. 500 00:31:03,631 --> 00:31:05,292 You are gonna stay on Patz, right? 501 00:31:05,377 --> 00:31:06,651 We'll comb through everything again, 502 00:31:06,735 --> 00:31:08,013 his statement, his movements. 503 00:31:08,119 --> 00:31:10,464 He lied to us that day. He said he didn't know Ben Rifkin. 504 00:31:10,598 --> 00:31:12,254 According to your boy McGrath. 505 00:31:13,209 --> 00:31:14,793 Look, I'm just saying, the kid already admitted 506 00:31:14,877 --> 00:31:16,586 to trying to frame Patz on the whole library thing. 507 00:31:16,670 --> 00:31:20,029 Yeah, I know. I know, but I believe him on this one. 508 00:31:22,063 --> 00:31:25,108 I'm begging you. Please do not give up on Patz. 509 00:31:26,430 --> 00:31:27,880 We're running out of time. 510 00:31:29,065 --> 00:31:30,450 I'll do my best. 511 00:31:35,045 --> 00:31:37,794 [Neal] Did you honestly think that you could avoid a trial? 512 00:31:39,805 --> 00:31:41,419 Delay one, at least. 513 00:31:42,154 --> 00:31:44,724 If you were willing to admit that you rushed to judgment. 514 00:31:45,986 --> 00:31:48,155 But you refused to look at anyone else. 515 00:31:50,894 --> 00:31:52,849 [Neal] I wanna go to those last few days 516 00:31:52,934 --> 00:31:54,435 right before the trial. 517 00:31:55,437 --> 00:31:57,310 Did Laurie share your optimism 518 00:31:57,396 --> 00:31:59,341 that Jacob's trial might be avoided? 519 00:32:00,172 --> 00:32:01,396 Yes and no. 520 00:32:05,093 --> 00:32:06,279 What about you? 521 00:32:06,741 --> 00:32:10,802 As it became clear there was no 11th-hour reprieve coming... 522 00:32:12,215 --> 00:32:13,771 how were you handling it? 523 00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:17,372 [Andy] I did the only thing I could do. 524 00:32:19,311 --> 00:32:20,747 I accepted it. 525 00:32:21,338 --> 00:32:23,012 - [crash] - Fuck. 526 00:32:24,290 --> 00:32:25,834 Jesus. Fuck. 527 00:32:29,414 --> 00:32:31,174 Hey, what are you doing? 528 00:32:31,259 --> 00:32:33,440 - I know. I know what you did. - What? 529 00:32:33,729 --> 00:32:35,583 What are you talking abo... You just... 530 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,269 - Oh, fuck, you're the father. - I know you killed him! 531 00:32:38,354 --> 00:32:41,191 Oh, Jesus, you're the father. Okay. Um, you need to leave me alone. 532 00:32:41,276 --> 00:32:43,507 My son's not gonna go away because of you. You understand me? 533 00:32:43,591 --> 00:32:45,175 - Stay away from me. - Hey! 534 00:32:45,266 --> 00:32:46,698 I know what you did. 535 00:32:47,552 --> 00:32:51,346 I know it was you, Leonard! I know it was you! 536 00:32:53,082 --> 00:32:54,624 [Neal] What about Jacob? 537 00:32:54,763 --> 00:32:56,056 How was he holding up? 538 00:32:56,911 --> 00:32:58,299 [Andy exhales] 539 00:32:59,023 --> 00:33:00,963 He tried to stay busy with schoolwork, 540 00:33:01,048 --> 00:33:02,612 watched movies. 541 00:33:03,865 --> 00:33:06,120 We were all just waiting for the hourglass to run out. 542 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,284 He had a 15th birthday that week, didn't he? 543 00:33:09,799 --> 00:33:11,338 August 17th. 544 00:33:11,952 --> 00:33:13,901 Four days before the trial. 545 00:33:14,803 --> 00:33:18,174 Now, how would you go about calculating this sum? 546 00:33:18,612 --> 00:33:19,808 Uh... 547 00:33:19,893 --> 00:33:23,080 - I'd add up the interior angles. - Good. 548 00:33:23,740 --> 00:33:25,510 We'll be back in a few hours. 549 00:33:26,031 --> 00:33:27,565 Bye, birthday boy. 550 00:33:28,684 --> 00:33:30,612 Now, don't forget there's a trick. 551 00:33:43,038 --> 00:33:45,487 I'm ready for you. Come on in. 552 00:33:47,825 --> 00:33:50,144 As you know, I've been evaluating Jacob 553 00:33:50,229 --> 00:33:52,742 for the last several weeks using a number of diagnostic tools: 554 00:33:52,826 --> 00:33:56,652 a Basic Personality Inventory, a Problematic Traits Inventory, 555 00:33:56,737 --> 00:33:58,737 and all the results, they're in the report. 556 00:33:58,937 --> 00:34:02,168 I also tested his IQ, which is unusually high, 557 00:34:02,253 --> 00:34:05,151 and his EQ, his empathy quotient. 558 00:34:05,251 --> 00:34:07,006 The report also contains the results 559 00:34:07,091 --> 00:34:09,216 from the genetic testing that I conducted, 560 00:34:09,301 --> 00:34:11,887 and it includes the MAOA mutation, 561 00:34:11,971 --> 00:34:13,219 what's commonly known as 562 00:34:13,304 --> 00:34:15,687 the-the warrior gene or the murder gene. 563 00:34:16,476 --> 00:34:17,559 And? 564 00:34:17,643 --> 00:34:21,949 Andy's father tested positive for the mutation, as did Andy. 565 00:34:22,034 --> 00:34:23,617 Uh, Jacob did not. 566 00:34:24,836 --> 00:34:25,931 No? 567 00:34:26,047 --> 00:34:27,714 The thing is, that's not, um... 568 00:34:28,692 --> 00:34:31,469 MAOA wasn't really central to my evaluation, 569 00:34:31,554 --> 00:34:34,445 since it's actually inherited from the mother and not the father. 570 00:34:35,125 --> 00:34:36,868 [Andy] Well then, what was the purpose of the testing? 571 00:34:36,952 --> 00:34:38,383 Because there are similar genes 572 00:34:38,468 --> 00:34:40,742 that are passed down from father to son. 573 00:34:40,827 --> 00:34:42,070 Um... 574 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,671 For instance, GRIN-1, which is a glutamate receptor subunit. 575 00:34:46,755 --> 00:34:50,304 It's been linked to traits like impulsivity and recklessness. 576 00:34:50,634 --> 00:34:52,760 All three generations of Barber males 577 00:34:52,844 --> 00:34:57,367 tested positive for the GRIN-1 variant, including Jacob. 578 00:34:58,345 --> 00:35:02,953 There's also a dopamine gene linked to a limited capacity for empathy. 579 00:35:03,189 --> 00:35:07,562 Uh, again, all three generations of Barber males tested positive. 580 00:35:07,817 --> 00:35:11,195 And, uh, finally, there's a form of testosterone receptor 581 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,658 known to induce violent behavior in adolescents shortly after puberty... 582 00:35:14,742 --> 00:35:16,952 And Jacob... Jacob has that form? 583 00:35:17,036 --> 00:35:21,047 Jacob does, yes, as do Andy and Billy. 584 00:35:24,233 --> 00:35:27,360 But if a young person is already capable of moral reasoning, 585 00:35:27,538 --> 00:35:30,416 these genes won't just cause the brain to flip a switch, 586 00:35:30,508 --> 00:35:33,328 and I will point to Andy as proof. 587 00:35:33,469 --> 00:35:35,720 [Joanna] Still, what Dr. Vogel is saying is, 588 00:35:35,804 --> 00:35:39,975 if we wind up with the worst-case scenario where Jacob's found guilty, 589 00:35:40,059 --> 00:35:41,768 we would have a genetic basis 590 00:35:41,852 --> 00:35:45,105 to argue mitigation when it goes to sentencing. 591 00:35:45,189 --> 00:35:50,068 That's not gonna happen, but it's important to know as much as possible. 592 00:35:50,153 --> 00:35:51,404 Just in case. 593 00:35:55,044 --> 00:35:57,695 Well, now we know. 594 00:35:58,691 --> 00:36:02,000 And is he capable of moral reasoning? 595 00:36:02,413 --> 00:36:05,833 There are things in here... um, "antisocial tendencies"... 596 00:36:05,918 --> 00:36:09,148 - Laurie, that's just psychobabble. - I'm asking Dr. Vogel. 597 00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:11,409 It's not a simple yes or no answer. 598 00:36:12,803 --> 00:36:15,252 I think you should read the entire report, and then, if you want, 599 00:36:15,336 --> 00:36:18,130 we can have a conversation on how to best address Jacob's issues. 600 00:36:18,222 --> 00:36:21,558 But obviously right now the concern isn't therapy, it's the trial. 601 00:36:21,642 --> 00:36:24,770 - So there are issues? - He's a teenager. They all have issues. 602 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,660 [Dr. Vogel] Andy's not wrong. 603 00:36:27,345 --> 00:36:30,360 However, if there was one area of concern, 604 00:36:30,484 --> 00:36:33,111 it would be his capacity for empathy. 605 00:36:33,251 --> 00:36:35,915 Once again, the report goes into full detail. 606 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,034 - How do you mean? - Laurie, 607 00:36:37,118 --> 00:36:38,618 this isn't really the time to have 608 00:36:38,703 --> 00:36:40,783 - this conversation. - I want to know what she means. 609 00:36:41,715 --> 00:36:45,877 Well, for example, I brought up Ben Rifkin in one of our sessions, 610 00:36:45,962 --> 00:36:48,829 and, uh, Jacob's response was that... 611 00:36:50,128 --> 00:36:52,463 people die every day by the millions. 612 00:36:52,750 --> 00:36:54,715 And when I tried to prod him, 613 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,024 to express some-some emotion around Ben's murder... 614 00:36:58,762 --> 00:37:01,470 Jacob's answers felt, um... 615 00:37:02,641 --> 00:37:03,970 practiced. 616 00:37:04,552 --> 00:37:06,000 [Andy] That's because you don't know him. 617 00:37:06,084 --> 00:37:08,253 I mean, he's not a touchy-feely kid, that's... 618 00:37:09,630 --> 00:37:11,891 - He has empathy. - You think he did it. 619 00:37:12,718 --> 00:37:13,931 I didn't say that. 620 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:15,682 - You didn't have to. - [Joanna] Laurie. 621 00:37:15,766 --> 00:37:19,366 I have absolutely no way of knowing if Jacob did or did not do it. 622 00:37:19,450 --> 00:37:22,119 - And it's also not my job. - But you think he might have done it. 623 00:37:22,203 --> 00:37:24,830 - Laurie, this isn't productive. - You do. You think it's possible. 624 00:37:24,914 --> 00:37:27,831 Will you stop? Anything in there you could say about a million other teenagers. 625 00:37:27,915 --> 00:37:29,784 - [Dr. Vogel] Very true. - Then why won't you answer me? 626 00:37:29,868 --> 00:37:30,720 - Laurie. - Don't. 627 00:37:30,805 --> 00:37:33,111 You never see these things, you never saw them then. 628 00:37:33,196 --> 00:37:35,571 You were so desperate to be normal, for us all to be normal. 629 00:37:35,657 --> 00:37:37,072 - We are normal. - Oh, my God, Andy, 630 00:37:37,157 --> 00:37:38,964 - do you think this is normal? - This situation? 631 00:37:39,048 --> 00:37:41,805 Of course not, but Jacob, yes. I know he is. 632 00:37:41,889 --> 00:37:45,308 And this, this doesn't change anything. This means nothing. 633 00:37:45,438 --> 00:37:46,856 Just answer me. 634 00:37:52,584 --> 00:37:53,845 Please. 635 00:37:58,659 --> 00:37:59,860 I wish I could. 636 00:38:11,562 --> 00:38:14,071 Look, we can just call this off and do something at home. 637 00:38:14,213 --> 00:38:18,399 No. He's about to go through hell. We're doing this. 638 00:38:18,636 --> 00:38:21,852 [speakers: woman singing pop song in Japanese] 639 00:38:28,210 --> 00:38:29,878 Waitress speaking Japanese... 640 00:38:29,979 --> 00:38:32,188 - How's everything? - Good. Thank you. 641 00:38:37,278 --> 00:38:39,112 I don't see why you guys won't tell me. 642 00:38:39,196 --> 00:38:41,423 Because it's between us and Dr. Vogel. 643 00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:44,321 What happened to me being treated like an adult? 644 00:38:45,064 --> 00:38:46,361 This is such bullshit. 645 00:38:46,446 --> 00:38:49,189 Hey, enough with the swearing. It's like every other word with you. 646 00:38:49,274 --> 00:38:51,500 I have a right to know about my own brain. 647 00:38:51,584 --> 00:38:53,126 I-I took every one of her tests. 648 00:38:53,210 --> 00:38:54,925 I answered every one of her stupid questions. 649 00:38:55,009 --> 00:38:58,465 She thought you were a good kid, which we already knew. 650 00:38:58,906 --> 00:39:00,407 This whole thing's a formality. 651 00:39:01,646 --> 00:39:02,897 Okay? 652 00:39:03,460 --> 00:39:04,657 I don't believe you. 653 00:39:05,177 --> 00:39:08,141 Honey, it's your birthday. Let's talk about something else. 654 00:39:10,313 --> 00:39:12,430 - What about the murder gene? - You don't have it. 655 00:39:16,181 --> 00:39:17,509 Really? 656 00:39:19,233 --> 00:39:20,532 Really. 657 00:39:23,866 --> 00:39:25,201 [exhales] 658 00:39:27,995 --> 00:39:29,493 So there's nothing wrong with me? 659 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,307 Waitress speaking Japanese... 660 00:39:35,002 --> 00:39:36,446 Happy birthday, bud. 661 00:39:36,754 --> 00:39:38,016 Thank you. 662 00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:42,688 [Laurie] Happy birthday. 663 00:39:42,827 --> 00:39:44,516 [Andy] Make a wish. 664 00:39:45,749 --> 00:39:47,329 Kind of a no-brainer. 665 00:40:07,318 --> 00:40:08,857 Thank you for tonight. 666 00:40:10,506 --> 00:40:12,779 It was nice being normal again, 667 00:40:13,067 --> 00:40:15,104 even if it was just pretending. 668 00:40:16,325 --> 00:40:17,919 It was your mom's idea. 669 00:40:19,011 --> 00:40:20,755 Glad you had a good time. 670 00:40:29,390 --> 00:40:31,141 [Jacob] I think I'm ready for Monday. 671 00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:32,818 [Andy] Yeah? 672 00:40:33,558 --> 00:40:34,763 Yeah. 673 00:40:35,789 --> 00:40:38,904 Mrs. Mandel had me write an essay about it the other day. 674 00:40:40,484 --> 00:40:44,841 I said it was like sailing towards an iceberg. 675 00:40:45,627 --> 00:40:50,911 This... little white peak in the distance, getting closer and closer... 676 00:40:52,983 --> 00:40:55,474 but really, it's been underneath us the whole time. 677 00:41:04,049 --> 00:41:05,380 [sighs] 678 00:41:06,177 --> 00:41:08,247 I thought you were anti-metaphor? 679 00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:10,661 [chuckles] 680 00:41:29,366 --> 00:41:31,577 [Laurie] Oh, my God. It's that car. 681 00:41:41,337 --> 00:41:43,003 - Andy, don't. - Wait here. 682 00:41:43,088 --> 00:41:44,357 Dad? 683 00:41:49,373 --> 00:41:51,615 - Andy! - Take Jacob inside. 684 00:41:53,761 --> 00:41:56,349 - [Jacob] What's going on? - [Laurie] It's all right. Come on. 685 00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:14,400 - What the hell do you want with us? - [man] Excuse me? 686 00:42:14,537 --> 00:42:17,039 You've been watching my house and following my wife. 687 00:42:17,778 --> 00:42:19,654 I don't know what you're talking about, pal. 688 00:42:19,753 --> 00:42:21,297 I'm not gonna ask you again. 689 00:42:21,989 --> 00:42:23,365 Easy, tough guy. 690 00:42:23,598 --> 00:42:25,464 You don't want to be a tough guy tonight, believe me. 691 00:42:25,548 --> 00:42:27,341 I don't want to see you on this street again. 692 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,294 It's a public street. 693 00:42:29,616 --> 00:42:30,784 Not for you, it's not. 694 00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:36,021 You should get back to your family. 695 00:42:37,017 --> 00:42:38,786 It's good to have a family. 696 00:42:40,825 --> 00:42:43,244 Take care of that family of yours, Mr. Barber. 697 00:42:43,399 --> 00:42:44,935 [engine starts] 698 00:42:48,341 --> 00:42:51,818 [Andy] Yeah, 75K SA2. Yeah. 699 00:42:55,532 --> 00:42:56,741 Damn it. 700 00:42:56,826 --> 00:42:58,330 No, I figured as much. 701 00:42:59,391 --> 00:43:01,216 It's okay. Thanks, Duff. 702 00:43:02,501 --> 00:43:03,919 Okay. 703 00:43:04,769 --> 00:43:05,978 [phone beeps] 704 00:43:06,195 --> 00:43:08,458 It's registered to a Honda Accord. 705 00:43:09,208 --> 00:43:10,677 So it's stolen? 706 00:43:11,424 --> 00:43:13,497 All it takes is a screwdriver. 707 00:43:14,297 --> 00:43:15,881 So what now? 708 00:43:16,736 --> 00:43:18,739 Duff's gonna have one of her guys patrol the neighborhood 709 00:43:18,823 --> 00:43:20,240 for the next couple nights. 710 00:43:20,394 --> 00:43:23,138 I doubt he'll come back. He's probably just a reporter. 711 00:43:25,113 --> 00:43:26,530 [sighs] 712 00:43:26,668 --> 00:43:29,201 I'm tired. I'm going to bed. 713 00:43:35,630 --> 00:43:37,161 Good night, Mom. 714 00:43:40,526 --> 00:43:42,044 Thank you for tonight. 715 00:43:44,008 --> 00:43:45,343 Good night, sweetheart. 716 00:43:46,134 --> 00:43:47,568 Happy birthday. 717 00:43:55,421 --> 00:43:57,849 [Neal] And that was it? Hmm? 718 00:43:58,140 --> 00:43:59,630 That was it. 719 00:44:01,451 --> 00:44:03,646 Couple more days and it was over. 720 00:44:08,090 --> 00:44:09,568 We hit the iceberg. 721 00:44:36,929 --> 00:44:39,265 [garage door clicks, rattles] 722 00:45:01,662 --> 00:45:04,206 [no audible dialogue]